User talk:GoodRollin

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+talktalk--Alex Rollin 15:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Let's chat. By the way, I put the "|" back in. It's a style thing of mine. Like "," but not. I like them. --BonnieOWong 14:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Informing Users that "User Groups" exist and how they can apply for membership

Hey Alex,

For my new AGNUcius account I wanted to "jump through the hoops" that any user would to see how difficult or confusing it might be trying to increase the "user level" of an account (trying to become "emailconfirmed" for example), but I can't seem to find where to go.

To further confuse things, my Special:Preferences page claims I am a member of "emailconfirmed", but I'm not listed at http://P2PFoundation.net/Special:ListGroupRights?title=Special:ListUsers&group=emailconfirmed

But taking a step back I realize many users may not even be aware of this "emailconfirmed" level and the benefits it offers.

OK, so maybe we could add a blurb and link that shows up next to the CAPTCHA ~ something like: "Tired of filling out CAPTCHAs? Click here to request membership into the "Trusted Editor" group!" (I say "Trusted Editor" because I think "Email Confirmed" is confusing since the user has already confirmed his email after initially creating the account - or he wouldn't have been able to even *attempt* editing...).

Anyway, don't just add me to the "emailconfirmed" group. I want to continue to struggle as any user would so the path is clear for all future users...

In fussing with this the last few days I've come to realize the new group confirmed does not work, and that I cannot in fact give people those permissions. People can edit once they confirm their email, but I'm stuck on the next part. I don't know how to fix this, yet, either. When I go to Special:UserRights I cannot get the selection to save. Maybe a search for that will yield something. I just found out tonight, though, and haven't done it yet. --Alex Rollin 23:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Advanced Ideas

Thinking of these issues makes me wonder how to handle this in a 'physical' community.

How will we decide who gets a copy of the keys in a Community Owned restaurant?

• as a group with a standing directive that outlines good behavior and falls into a common punishment path.

Who qualifies as a lifeguard for the Citizen Owned swimming pool?

Who is allowed to operate dangerous equipment such as the grill?

• Policy 1 plus they are 18 years old since the group says so, and industrial policy says this is advised for 16 and up (external regulation)

Can we create some sort of 'tests' or other proof of qualification?

• Testing who? I see internal 'sense' as protocol that must also meet external regulation environment (if there is any)

What about insurance? How can we protect our investments from vandals and/or fools that will destroy them?

• I just learned about something like this from James Greyson. Might check that out. I thought of you when I read it.

Will these things be arbitrarily decided by those who are already in the inner-circle? Is that good or bad?

• Well, networks overlap. This is a fruitful conversation related to a thread today involving Kevin Carson and Solidarity Economics where I made the case that networks based on lower order commonalities like 'peers who eat fruit' can more easily understand subgroups organizing to purchase a communal farm, and that the communal farm might be 'owned by one communal group, but since they have a solidarity 'base' and origin that they will be more inclined to welcome a new group of 'owners' through a process of acquisition so as to reach the same level as the 'founders'.

While I'm not sure whether or not such decisions should be part of the legally enforced Social Contract, I would still like to 'codify' as much of this as possible so future groups attempting to create community would have 'templates' they could use as a rough guide as to how such questions might be answered...

• I'm seeing some interesting insights coming out of this. Bonnie Wong and I worked on the P2P Property Management Network today and discovered a significant Commons or two, and could see how the ascent to ownership will be interesting. Where and how peers decide to 'work together as peers' is the start and method of becoming a peer network than can/could own something or otherwise manage a relationship as a group with a common resource.

For example, back in the "Virtual World" of a wiki, a guide for how to move a regular user to "emailconfimed" might be something like:

• For each such account that has made edits (contributions) that were not "rolled-back", and those contributions are more than say 4 days old (so we have a comfortable amount of time to roll-back any real SPAM), then automatically upgrade such accounts to "emailconfirmed".
  • In the wiki there are a couple controls: how old in minutes the account is and email confirmation.
  • Until they are emailconfirmed (mediawiki user group emailconfirmed) their edits are on a "patrol" list for admins, made into a list so editors can easily access all edits of unconfirmed user and auditing them.

Similarly, I wonder what kinds of tests for entering the "Confirmed Editor" (good grief these names are confusing!), "Bureaucrats", "Administrator".

• This seems to be 'know somebody' for now, but I write tons of starter docs in the Category:P2P Foundation Wiki How-To and some of those could be considered "Tests" like creating a Biography page. Check this one: P2P Foundation Wiki for Shameless Promotion‎.

A reply to the messages you left on my talk

Hi Alex - what did you mean by "promotion is working"? What does JS stand for? What's a stack or what is stacking? Someone spoke of stacking in relation to property and an enterprise hub in San Fran (Renaissance). I tried googling it, couldn't find anything meaningful. I wonder if it has any relation to stack in tech vocab. --BonnieOWong 22:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Promotion means you shouldn't be seeing any more captchas when you submit pages. Your user account has been promotoed! The stack is the P2P Stack and it is related to teck in the sense that it is like a set of tools for creating agreements with other nodes. Nodes are peers or peer networks. This is generally how a stack in computing or networking works. We collect peers to form networks and stack them using protocol. --Alex Rollin 08:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)